Rearing Syrphid Flies


Eupeodes pomus - Male - Adult

Eupeodes pomus - Female - Adult (identified from larval stage)

Eupeodes pomus - Unknown Sex – Larva or Pupa Died or Not Emerged (identified from larval/pupal stage)


Eupeodes americanus - Male - Adult

Eupeodes americanus - Female – Adult (identified from larval stage)

Eupeodes americanus - Unknown Sex – Larva or Pupa Died or Not Emerged (identified from larval/pupal stage)


Ocyptamus fuscipennis


Posted on 18 August, 2021 22:22 by molanic molanic

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This looks really great! Can you add a new comment here when you update the journal post so I get a notification? Thanks!!

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

I don't think that I got a notification for your comment here? I only noticed it when I was scrolling through my homepage updates section looking for something else. I have all of my notifications enabled in my settings, so that's odd.

I'll try to keep this journal page updated and post a comment with any significant changes. I wasn't planning on taking photos of them all every single day unless they looked different. I do have to prep a couple more containers since I found two more tiny stowaway larvae that must have still been eggs hidden on the roughly textured seedpods that the earlier larvae were on.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

@edanko , I was just curious if you got a notification for my comment post above, or if I'd have to tag you. Nothing significant has changed here... no adults emerged yet. I did end up making several more containers for more larvae I'd found with the aphids I'd collected for food. I think ten containers will be my limit for now!

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

Yes, I've been getting notifications. Lovely work creating observation groups.... I really hope that you get some males and we can get them to species IDs.... do you think you have enough magnification?

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

Good, I got a notification for your comment today. Not sure why I didn't get one for the first comment, but it seems to work now at least. I hope I have enough magnification, it's definitely pushing my limitations. I have the photo you sent me for a reference so I know what to look for at least. I don't know that I'll be able to get photos quite that clear, but hopefully something useful.

The observation groups are handy for linking these. I just wish there was a more automated way to group them and nicely display them built into the site. I try to copy and paste the links to view the groups into the observation descriptions. I don't think many people realize you have to click on the name of observation fields to get the popup menu for them... at least I didn't at first. I'd hoped the journal feature would have more editing options to display observations within it without having to do it all manually with html. Now it's just a place to keep the links handy I guess.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

Is the list of observation tiles at the end generated automatically based on the links you include?

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

No, I manually selected them on the right hand side of the journal edit page under "You can choose observations to associate with this journal post." I thought that might make this journal post show up on those individual observation pages, or maybe let me drag and drop those observation images into the journal post. As far as I can tell... all it does is add those tiles to the bottom of the post sorted by date, and move them to the top of the list in that right hand side editing window I selected them from. If I try to drag one of the observations over into the edit window it does copy the observation URL over there though. If I actually get some useful photos of the adults, I'll likely put some effort into formatting this a little nicer and include the photos and dates and everything.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

First one to emerge was a female from container #2. I still tried to get lots of photos to practice different techniques and see what worked best. Chilling it a bit seemed to make it not try to fly, but it was still walking around and cleaning itself. I tried keeping it between a shallow clear acrylic box lid not much deeper than the fly is thick, and a thin clear sheet cut off a plastic container. Then I could flip it for a ventral view without it being able to right itself but still able to crawl around upside down. Shooting through the plastic made for not the clearest image though. I don't know if I'm supposed to chill it to the point where it won't move at all and I can flip it on it's back uncovered? I didn't want to mess with it too much since I don't really need the photos of a female. It was fine uncovered for all the other angles. When I took it outside it flew off right away.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/92389582

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

Great, thanks for DONE and RIP notations :)

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

'#4 is now done and released. It's a male. I had a bit of trouble getting the photos. I got a few dorsal shots without a cover on, but had to use the cover to get the ventral views. I got a bunch of photos of the terminalis, but I don't know that they are clear enough. I tried rotating them to compare to the sample you sent, but it seems like everything was more "scrunched up" on this fly. Maybe that was from the chilling, shrinkage! I don't know that I could have done better without harming it. It was challenging. One of the Ocyptamus fuscipennis also emerged, #6, and ended up on my kitchen ceiling for a bit.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

I just added two new emergences from yesterday. '#3 was parasitized as expected by the dark pupa color. '#5 was a female, but unique in that it was the only one I'd found as an egg and gotten photos of each life stage. I tried chilling them a little longer this time so I could test out getting a ventral macro photo without a cover. I was worried I killed them since they totally stopped moving, but they bounced back very quickly and both flew off.

So I only have two left '#7 and '#11. I'm thinking 11 is likely parasitized too though. I looked for more larva yesterday and didn't see any. The aphid population has reduced significantly in the last two weeks.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

OK, thank you!! Also consider looking on other host plants. I've found unique and interesting species on pine branches and on the underside of maple leaves.

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

7 is done, and it's another male. To me it looks like another E. pomus. I nicknamed him "Iceman" because he really didn't want to chill for me, so I had to shoot through the plastic again. I think it's about as clear as the other male photo was. Released healthy, tough little guy!

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?verifiable=any&place_id=any&field:Observation%20group=92015771

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

Yesterday I hit the mother lode while gardening. I saw one little brown larva on a milkweed seed pod and when I pulled the pod off to collect it I found a lot more jammed into the tight spaces between the seed pods. I checked inside another tight cluster of seed pods and now have 23 larvae! Three are the green ones, and the other 20 are the brown ones. Interesting, considering I'd not really seen the brown ones previously. I separated out nine of the biggest ones into hopefully individual containers to photograph and track, but left the other 14 brown ones all together in a larger container for now. I hope they don't try to overwinter on me. I don't know if temperature or day length determines that for these species? It might take me a while to go through the photos and start adding them here.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

OK, interesting. Do you want to move those into a new post to keep track of? In the meantime something is keeping me from viewing this page using my normal browser and the page's getting a bit overwhelmed so do you want to start a new journal post for the second batch, and just link it above?

Posted by edanko over 2 years ago

I cleaned up the post to make it easier to read. I used markdown code instead of html which I think will keep it easy for me to make quick edits. Once I get adults and ids I can move each link from "in progress" to the appropriate sections to keep things grouped. I also removed the linked observation photo tiles since they didn't seem to really do anything, other than perhaps slow down the page loading. I might just wait to add observations for the new larvae until I get photos of them as pupae. If any die before then I likely won't bother to add them at all.

Posted by molanic over 2 years ago

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