Heads up: Some or all of the identifications affected by this split may have been replaced with identifications of Natrix. This happens when we can't automatically assign an identification to one of the output taxa. Review identifications of Natrix natrix 29339

Taxonomic Split 65139 (Committed on 19-11-2019)

See https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/368437 and https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/295862
Natrix natrix (sensu lato) has been split twice. First Pokrant et al., 2016 split off Natrix natrix ssp. astreptophora (snakes west of the Pyrenees) as Natrix astreptophora

Then Kindler et al., 2017 split off snakes west of the Rhine as Natrix helvetica, specitically:
Natrix natrix ssp. helvetica
Natrix natrix ssp. cetti
Natrix natrix ssp. lanzai
Natrix natrix ssp. sicula
Natrix natrix ssp. corsa

leaving Natrix natrix sensu stricto (east of the Rhine) as:
Natrix natrix ssp. calabra
Natrix natrix ssp. cypriaca
Natrix natrix ssp. fusca
Natrix natrix ssp. gotlandica
Natrix natrix ssp. natrix
Natrix natrix ssp. persa
Natrix natrix ssp. schweizeri
Natrix natrix ssp. scutata
Natrix natrix ssp. syriaca

unknown | Natrix natrix swing-split
| Committed by loarie on 19 November, 2019
split into


Hi @loarie , as in these flags ( https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/851211-Natrix-helvetica/flags & https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/966787-Natrix-natrix/flags ) all Italian Natrix natrix obs (except Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia, NE Italy) should have been assigned to the taxon Natrix helvetica.

See FigS1 here https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-018-20218-2/MediaObjects/41598_2018_20218_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

Now, probably due to an error in the atlas, most of them were assigned to Natrix natrix (e.g., https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6054057 )
while those of western Italy have been assigned to the genus Natrix ( https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/27680553 )

It is possible to fix or t is necessary to identify again all the observations?

Posted by danieleseglie over 3 years ago (Flag)

I'll try to fix this - Are Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia snakes Natrix natrix or a mix of Natrix natrix and Natrix helvetica?

Posted by loarie over 3 years ago (Flag)

Hi @loarie , thanks!

Veneto & Friuli-Venezia Giulia -> genus Natrix (mixed N. helvetica - N. Natrix, lack of genetic data)
All the rest of Italy -> N. helvetica


Posted by danieleseglie over 3 years ago (Flag)

Seems that the problem about Italy is still unresolved: is there any way we can help?

Posted by aaroniemma over 3 years ago (Flag)

agree with @aaroniemma & @danieleseglie issue still to be solved!
As for the problem with Bufotes, if I may add...

Posted by finrod over 3 years ago (Flag)

Hi @loarie , are there any updates related to the possibility of fixing this issue without re-identifying again all the obs?

Posted by danieleseglie about 3 years ago (Flag)

working on this now - sorry for the delay. Its complicated....

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago (Flag)

OK should be fixed now - sorry for the initial screw up and the delay fixing it. Let me know if anything looks odd

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago (Flag)

Now everything seems fine! Thanks a lot as usual @loarie ! Best!

Posted by danieleseglie about 3 years ago (Flag)

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